Not sure if I qualify, please help.

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Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby gscotto » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:45 pm

Hi,

I searched the forums and was not able to find answers to my scenarios.

I think I have at least 3 paths to Italian citizenship.

Path 1:

GGF born in Italy after 1861 and never immigrated to the US, so Italian citizenship at the time of his death.

GF born in Italy in 1890, immigrated to the US in the 1910's and naturalized in 1933.

F born in 1934 in the US, died in 2009.

Me born in 1968 in the US.

* I believe since my GF became a US citizen before my father was born this disqualifies me.

Path 2:

GGF born in Italy after 1861 and never immigrated to the US.

GM born in Italy in 1892, immigrated to the US in 1933, never naturalized and died an Italian citizen in the 1970's.

F born in 1934 in the US, died in 2009.

Me born in 1968 in the US.

* I think the 1948 rule applies here but not sure.

Path 3:

GGF (mother's side) born in Italy after 1861

GM (mother's side) born in US 1908, died in 2004

M born in US in 1935

Me born in 1968 in the US.

*Again the 1948 rule may apply here, but not sure.

Thanks for your help!

George
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Re: Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby tonyric » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:05 pm

You are correct in all 3 scenarios. Sorry.
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Re: Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby gscotto » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:18 pm

To be clear, for path 1 if my GF was born in the US and did not naturalize I would then qualify?

Thanks
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Re: Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby Em » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:05 am

Was your mother's father Italian?
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Re: Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby gscotto » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:35 am

Hi,

My mother's father was born in the US in 1906.

My mother's grandfather was born in Italy after 1861 but naturalized I believe before my mother's father was born in the early 1900's.

So I think this disqualifies me on two counts; GGF naturalized before 1912 and GF (mother's father) was a US citizen at the time of her birth.

The only other path I am trying to look into is through my GM (Mother's mother). She was born in the US in 1908 to Italian parents but I don't believe her father (my GGF) naturalized until after she was born. But then there is the potential of the 1912 rule and 1948 rule all over again.

With the negative birth rate in Italy, and an influx of non Italian descent immigrants, I would think the Italian government would make it easier for real Italians to immigrate there and become citizens. :)
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Re: Not sure if I qualify, please help.

Postby Em » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:49 pm

Unfortunately, your mother's mother won't work. Even if she did possess Italian citizenship, she could not transmit it to your mother in 1935. Check again on your mother's father's line. Even if everyone in the family swears up and down that he naturalized in the early 1900's, they may all be wrong. Family oral history is not always entirely accurate. If he naturalized before 1912 but after his son was born, you may still be ok if you are applying at one of the consulates that does not make 1912 an issue.
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